Josef Fritzl and the Secret Life of Human Beings

Meg Lee Chin's picture

To all the Josef Fritzl's in the world: Will you please stand up? I for one, would really appreciate if you were to wear some kind of a sign or t-shirt so I can see you coming!

We as a society are not much good at recognising sociopaths. I wonder how many more of these sex slave dungeons, apartments, attics, cabins, barns exist? I guess it's just too easy to assume that most other humans beings are more or less just like us. Maybe it's a natural human tendency to project our own natures onto others. We are after all, made of the same stuff.

But are we all capable of being sociopaths? I suppose my own saving grace is that function of the brain which makes me feel, queasy, uncomfortable and sometimes physically sick at the sight of another's pain. Ultimately, I suppose that's selfish. It is now known that people differ widely in their ability to empathise physically in the brain. Most sociopaths lack the abilty to empathise altogether. So without this empathy, how many more of us would inflict cruelty upon others?

I suppose my other saving grace is my "spiritual side". But again, scientists are now starting to isolate parts of the brain which invoke spiritual experience and the propensity for spiritual feelings. So again, is this just a function of the brain? Add to it that I was taught morality, ethics and right from wrong. I was lucky enough to have had a fairly decent upbringing.

So without the empathy functions, spiritual functions and fairly decent upbringing, is there anything else that would prevent me from being a completely selfish, narcissistic monster like Josef Fritzl? The romantic side of me would like to believe in some kind of transcendant quality which lifts us above the mere physical. But that may just be my spiritual/religiosity dna talking. . . What is it that makes us behave decently? What is it that keeps us from being monsters?

We have probably all at some time in our lives had at least some experience of inflicting cruelty on another. I remember at age 8 pulling the wings off a fly. The accompanying feelings of queasiness, guilt and self loathing afterwards was enough to stop me ever doing it again. But had I been incapable of experiencing those extremely intense and unpleasant feelings, would I have continued out of curiosity? Would I have graduated onto bigger things? Is Fritzl any more evil than me if he is physically lacking the ability to empathise, feel spirituality and had a terrible childhood?

Materially successful people very often seem to have less empathy. In a sense, empathy may hold us back in life. So it is probably fair to assume purely from an evolutionary point of view, that there are many lacking in empathy. So are there many, many more sociopaths out there? How many more Josef Fritzls are husbands, fathers, wives, best friends, teachers, ministers, doctors, judges, artists.....? How many blend into the background? How many can't we see because they do a perfectly respectable job of acting...respectable?

Is the only difference between him and us, a set of arbitrary traits in the brain and a good hand in the game of life? Is there something beyond the physical which makes us human?

The mind boggles...

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Camilla's picture

This discovery so horrified

This discovery so horrified me in its extremity of unremitting torture on so many levels - Liesel's sheer unrelenting fear throughout and beyond four years' near total sensory deprivation knowing that if the wretched man died or became sufficiently disinterested this would mean slow death either by asphixiation or starvation not only for herself but later including her responsibility to safekeep her family - that I feel guilty at my voyeurism just thinking clearly about the human themes thrown into sharp relief. But let's celebrate that there was also hope and love and warmth in her tenacity looking after, informing and educating her family in that bleak environment with pictures on the bathroom wall and discussions about the real world albeit in supernatural disguise. I see much to admire in her caring and ingenuity through necessity, maintaining cognitive efficacy whilst somehow keeping her sanity and pouncing on the one opportunity in 24 years (!) to smuggle a note to the doctors that they should be so very careful with her daughter and perhaps consider her abstruse sentences in the round. For she had to be so cautious lest her father become spooked or angry enough to kill her, flee and leave the others buried, that I believe the note had to be anodyne. All this forethought took so much presence of mind that I thoroughly admire her nerve and enduring human capacities throughout so much despair during their decades of ghastly incarceration.

Whilst utterly eclipsed by the real events, I think it can be useful to face up to some of your questions in general. You ask whether we can recognise sociopaths. I would reply that perhaps we can learn to do so through behavioural evidence and communication always with the proviso that these apparent signs are checked and rechecked. Experiences are a private matter so we can just watch and listen for anomalous versions of normality, whatever that is, or compare them with our own outlook, only when the person feels on safe ground to be reporting their intentions and feelings fairly truthfully.

How could we tell when they are feeling safe enough to do so? Well, my experience in the psychological field points to the cautiously respectable method of listening to emphasis of subject matter, emotional loading, plus their reactions to our own subtle cues in response - as I find it amply demonstrated that people are usually looking for immediate personal feedback rewards of one sort or another, quite often below the threshold of the ostensible conversation. Is this sounding a little abnormal in itself? Well, the trouble is that short of observing foul deeds or their result, we are shifting contexts beyond the simply physical realm of direct empirical testing. Where narrative and imagination rule, logical certainty is not the order of the day but rather suggestion needs to be questioned with further probing. It's pretty much all you can do, observe and test through questioning or waiting to see.

If the overwhelming demand seems to be to impress with power or to shock, that's noteworthy as something of an early warning. But I'm not advocating thought crime! Not all monomaniacs or bores are oppressors and people frequently show off to release tension rather than have to act on it, so are we any the wiser? This is where it becomes a political matter, we can only decide in law whom to watch or record after an offence of course. But on a personal basis, yes, I think people can learn to spot individuals with generally unempathic histories of ruthless operation as distinct to merely powerful efficient qualities and then err on the side of distance.

You ask if we perhaps project our own qualities onto others rather than apprehend them well and I would say that in normal conversation that is what we may often be doing in as much as we are socialising to seek agreement and further, to be understood as quite normal in our vagaries when we chat. Talking to anyone, you may not be on the alert as to their possible sociopathy! Odd world that would be, if we were all suspicious all the time. To avoid these extremes, it's really a question of noticing rather more if something leftfield jumps into the proceedings, rather than pushing that back under the carpet because it would be uncomfortable to consider. In keeping, in discussions and debates, attention to issues ought to be more rigorous and so we ought anyway to aim for less intrinsic bias and project less values onto colleagues. But I think you'll still see it creeping in!

Are we all capable of sociopathy? According to this thesis above, we mostly do all have the basic tools - cognitive, emotional and engineering skills born of brain and body relating to the world to become any of many personality types. Genes may play a role. More so I think constraints and successes growing up, in education, business and marriage etc. culturally embedded would obviously have a very large bearing.

But this brings me full circle. If that is so, how did Liesel manage to stay so together, apparently adjusted and benign rather than emulate her grotesquely effective father? Indeed, was he privately seen as so effective, or did she understand he was (quite possibly) mad (for one thing, even just logically look at the seeds of the fantasy's destruction being inbuilt, as wasn't it obvious that someone would get seriously ill, sometime, and he had no plan for that and to forgo contraception too seems very odd - quite aside from the whole damn plan's concrete elements and plotting being inhumanly machinelike in their relentless execution)? I did just ponder, did this second family perhaps recognise at some very slightly encouraging level that he was actually also a shallowly needy figure, wearing his toupee for visits, a bit pathetic even, whilst holding the keys to freedom and that here was some slight leeway for adjusting their dungeon to meet one or two immediate needs? It's too horrible to dwell on, yet dwelling under there is just what these strong minded unfortunate people had to do to survive for so long, living in slender hope.

I did note that Leisel referred to Heaven as the world above maybe literally, maybe qualitatively for herself and allegorically for her children, with comforting references to a better God ruling a far better place which they could see on TV. Straightaway, I wouldn't have wanted to wish that we didn't have such a concept to draw on in such circumstances, you can feel how powerful such exciting power at near remove might be when you are truly powerless. Perhaps we can only question superstition because we have sufficient degrees of freedom? I am not sure that I see a need with our epistemic advantage for there to be any actual literal dualist extra dimension to being human. Rather, I feel your question about this kind of factor could fall under some discussion of top down feedback from imagination, narrative, planning possibilities for handling an uncertain world, in contrast to the pragmatic bottom up causal flow we then manipulate. More importantly overall, now that Kerstin's life is out of immediate danger in the hospital, I'm jumping up and down for Liesel, Kerstin, Stefan and Felix's human endurance that they have survived their ordeal!

PaulStott's picture

I don't think there is much

I don't think there is much doubt that many societies seem to harbour a tiny minority of people like this - Fred and Rose West being perhaps the closest UK examples. It is not impossible there are other cases that will unfold in the future.

I have always found it fascinating how people can not just live two entirely separate lives, but can get away with it. And get away with it for so long. How did Fritzel deal with the gas man, the person who comes round to read the electricity meter, did no one ever snigger when he bought girls underwear, and if so how did he react? How did he constantly buy food for 7, in a house of just 4?

The most likely answer is that some other people did know.

Sociopaths can often bully in an incredibly skilled way (read any accounts of Harold Shipman's wife for an example of someone so cowed she could not even sit on a chair without her husband's permission) I am guessing his wife falls into this category.

One of the curious things about Peter Sutcliffe's wife Sonia is that she really did not seem to fit the description of the bullied wife, yet she argued she had not known her husband just happened to be out on the night 13 murders were committed, and was not suspicious when the police kept coming round asking questions. (I won't say anything more on her, given her habit of throwing writs around)

Meg Lee Chin's picture

My Mum

A lot of women from a certain generation did just leave their husbands alone. My own Mom was never the least tiny bit interested iin my Dad's electronic workshop. Dad hated her trying to clean up and messing up his projects and would whine. So she stayed well away. If it wasn't for me wanting to hang around and play with all the colorful bits and pieces, he could've hid a family in our basement! :)

It's a mistake to try and judge people of a different generation based on modern feminist standards. It wasn't unusual in the past for husbands and wives to be living in the same house, but barely speak.

Come to think of it. it's not unusual now either!

nordsieck's picture

I have always found it

I have always found it fascinating how people can not just live two entirely separate lives, but can get away with it.

Everyone I know, without exception behaves differently in the presence of different people. Indeed, I think that only with extreme diligence or the property of being a psychopath can most people escape the dominant effect that explicit and implicit hierarchy has on inter-personal interactions.

Meg Lee Chin's picture

Popularity and squeezing gerbils

nordsieck wrote:

I have always found it fascinating how people can not just live two entirely separate lives, but can get away with it.
Everyone I know, without exception behaves differently in the presence of different people. Indeed, I think that only with extreme diligence or the property of being a psychopath can most people escape the dominant effect that explicit and implicit hierarchy has on inter-personal interactions.

The REALLY creepy thing is that Fritzl seemed to be poplular. This to me is the worst aspect of this story. It's horrendous the way some people are able to keep perfectly acceptable public appearances but be real monsters to people who really know them. We live in shallow and narcissistic times. There is so much emphasis in being popular in Western society. I'm suspicious of people who are "popular". What are they really like?

I reckon these popular people secretly at night....in the dark....they squeeze gerbils.... That goes for all politicians, celebrities, movie stars and rock stars too!

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